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Newcomb
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Imagine the following scenario (a variation on the classic dilemma known as Newcomb's Problem):
About six months ago, a crack team of psychologists came up with a brilliant new device, and decided to run a curious experiment to test it. The experiment takes the following form:
There is only one catch in this procedure: the case either contains blank bills or the million, as follows. If the psychologists predict the subject would return the envelope with the thousand dollars, the case contains the million. But if the psychologists predict that the subject will return the envelope with the blank paper, the case contains blank paper. And in each of the one hundred trials so far, the psychologists have always gotten it right. Everyone has either left with the thousand or left with the million.
(Edit: Well, not quite. A few clever people thought to randomize the envelopes so that they didn't know whether they lost the thousand or not. About half of them walked away with a thousand, the other half with nothing.)
The experiment is valid - it has been tested by dozens of experts in experimental protocol, sleight of hand, hypnotism, and every other relevant field. They neither coerce your choice nor switch out the million if you choose to keep the thousand.
You are in the room, with your two envelopes, and the attendant is before you with his case.
Do you give him the thousand dollars or the blank paper?
Imagine the following scenario (a variation on the classic dilemma known as Newcomb's Problem):
About six months ago, a crack team of psychologists came up with a brilliant new device, and decided to run a curious experiment to test it. The experiment takes the following form:
- Each subject, chosen by lottery, is provided with the money to purchase two identical plain manilla envelopes.
- They and their envelopes are given free transportation to the lab, where they (but not the envelopes) fill out a survey.
- They wait approximately one hour, and then are ushered into the experiment room.
- In that room, they are permitted to examine three stacks - one containing twenty U.S. fifty-dollar bills, one containing twenty fifty-dollar-bill-sized pieces of blank U.S. fifty-dollar-bill stock, and one containing one thousand U.S. one-thousand-dollar bills.
- An attendant removes the stack of thousand-dollar bills. They are instructed to privately place one of the remaining stacks in each of their manilla envelopes, so that they would have two apparently-identical envelopes, and then signal.
- On the signal, the attendant returns with a case, which either does or does not contain the million dollars. The subject then gives either of their two envelopes in return for the case.
There is only one catch in this procedure: the case either contains blank bills or the million, as follows. If the psychologists predict the subject would return the envelope with the thousand dollars, the case contains the million. But if the psychologists predict that the subject will return the envelope with the blank paper, the case contains blank paper. And in each of the one hundred trials so far, the psychologists have always gotten it right. Everyone has either left with the thousand or left with the million.
(Edit: Well, not quite. A few clever people thought to randomize the envelopes so that they didn't know whether they lost the thousand or not. About half of them walked away with a thousand, the other half with nothing.)
The experiment is valid - it has been tested by dozens of experts in experimental protocol, sleight of hand, hypnotism, and every other relevant field. They neither coerce your choice nor switch out the million if you choose to keep the thousand.
You are in the room, with your two envelopes, and the attendant is before you with his case.
Do you give him the thousand dollars or the blank paper?
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In a case like Omega, the question is phrased such that the box could be empty or full and it matters nought either way. You are being neither honest nor dishonest- and it is always better to take both, because hey! rational.
Of course, in saying that, I'm sure that my instinctive answer would have still been 'take box B.' It just feels right.
Which is, of course, why I should have taken more logic and philosophy.
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contents of case: |$1 000 000 | $0 ----|-----------|------- keep|$1 001 000 | $1 000 ----|-----------|------- give|$1 000 000 | $0 | |...and the game-theorists point out that the first row always returns more cash than the second, because you are always either in the first column (and your choice doesn't change things) or in the second (and your choice doesn't change things).no subject
But in your thought experiment, it seemed to be testing the subject's ethics and there a choice WOULD change things. KNOWING what the experiment was (and that honesty is rewarded with a million bucks) would surely mean that all subjects would return the money.
It was a misunderstanding on my part, because I didn't know what Newcomb was.
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