Friday, October 21st, 2005 01:25 am
Recently, a webcomic artist whose comic I read posted a strip which, unbeknownst to ... em*, duplicated a punchline from another strip, several weeks earlier. Ey got many emails informing em of this, and therefore changed the punchline panel an hour or two after it went up. Ey also posted a note, informing eir readers of the edit.

I could tell who this comic artist was, and what the change was ey made, but I won't – it's irrelevant to this essay. What I'm interested in is the idea that one can publish a work on the web and then change it after it's already been viewed.

The idea of revising already-published works, and of retracting what has already been publicly said, is not new, or even controversial. A 'corrections' box in the newspaper is standard practice, poems published more than once are often altered to some degree between printings, and essays and editorials are occasionally followed by literal retractions. The Gettysburg Address underwent multiple revisions even after it was delivered; the version in the textbooks is a modification of the one Lincoln delivered on the battlefield. What makes the online case unusual is that the work is only published in a single place, and it is often easy for the artist to unpublish the old version, leaving only the altered piece with no evidence of tampering.

This secret (or semi-secret) rewriting angers me. It is sometimes hard to make a case for what harm the creator of a work does in revising or removing it from a webpage; while in specific cases additional factors may apply, in general the harm it does lies only in the loss of the original work, either to deletion or revision. However, further harm can lie in the corruption of responses to the original work, especially when it is deleted altogether; when element of a discussion is removed, it eliminates the capacity for the audience to judge any part of the discussion that involves that element.

Even if the alteration of a online work is announced and explained, there remains some value in the original version which is lost if the revision is the only version that can be viewed. Admittedly, while this chain of reasoning can lead to extremes – like requiring that all first drafts be posted, and posted before the actual work, when possible – it is not unreasonable to be interested in the version which was associated with the initial release, and mere information on the differences does not suffice in this regard.

I think Eric Burns of Websnark had the right idea when he stated his policy on mistakes on Websnark (original statement heavily mangled to remove context):

[...] So, I thought I'd type for a few minutes on one of my unwritten policies for Websnark.

If I make a mistake, or blow something, or post something I later regret... I'll own up to it, but I won't delete it. This is a record of... well, something, at least. Of my thoughts and blatherings, if nothing else. And when I blow it, I'm going to leave it up and own up to it.

[...]

We live in an age where the historical record is easy to alter. We combat that not with technology, but with integrity. When I overreact or blow a call, that mistake becomes a part of this archive. That just seems fair to everyone.

This is an attitude I admire. I admire it partly because it shows bravery and honesty, but I also admire it because it means that (for example) when he writes an eloquent rant that later turns out to be unjustified, the rant stays available for reading anyway. It means that points he made in the rant are still available for consideration. And just because the central thesis gets refuted doesn't mean that all the ancillary points become invalid.

I admit that, under many circumstances, the original work is almost irrelevant. Furthermore, under some circumstances, change is almost demanded, as in the case of the misplaced rant, and the case of the duplicated punchline. I admit that sometimes changes are almost unambiguously improvements, and that the value that was in the original is sometimes entirely subsumed in the revision. But even in this case, the best case, a certain amount of history is destroyed by the vanishment of the original version.

And that's probably what bothers me about it. Knowledge gets destroyed, however useless that knowledge was, and in a world where nothing is perfect, we need all the knowledge we can get.

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Friday, October 21st, 2005 04:48 pm (UTC)
heh heh eh
Friday, October 21st, 2005 04:52 pm (UTC)
Of course, we'd have to suggest, as being nanakikun is being, that one's history, especially when in a media such as the internet where you can save your own copies of everything you experience* , part of the experience is going back to where you grew up and finding that all the buildings have moved around, or are completely different.
If it were the web's responsibility to keep everything the same, then there wouldn't be any way to get from the older websites to newer ones... : /

This topic is discussed at length in the somewhat confusingly translated Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty, available for Sony PlayStation 2 and Microsoft X-Box. : D

* come back later and insert some link here to the firefox plugin that provides disk storage of everything browsed
Friday, October 21st, 2005 04:56 pm (UTC)
ho hum, i think I actually saw that flash anim they mention ^__^``
It was somewhat lame on the someone else's speaker set ~_~ who had opened it, i mean : D
I was walking by and heard the noise from the hall, and the scream as they fell off of their chair ^^`
Friday, October 21st, 2005 09:14 pm (UTC)
Well, yes, if no site was ever edited, then forward-links would be impossible. And yes, storage space constraints prevent much archiving of old versions, especially on sites with rapidly-updating, high-bandwidth information (such as the NWS weather forecasting page). However, when human-made content is taken offline entirely, especially when such content has already had an influence on others, I consider the situation different.
Friday, October 21st, 2005 09:56 pm (UTC)
Ah yes, I would certainly agree with your analysis regarding human-made webpages. However, I believe the discussion regarding the particular data which was removed was somewhat slightly misleading and unrelated to the other, since the datastream from an infoprovider is needfully somewhat liquid, since it links to foreign data, which might not be stable.
The project of the Internet Archive is to preserve human-made data, and it's been somewhat successful, but has caused its own problems. For example, sometimes people produce data which they would prefer to rescind, such as discussions about other people's business, or messages which should've been stored in confidence, but released accidentally. I'd think that in these cases, replacing the actual information with an abject apology would be the best course of action, wouldn't it?
Saturday, October 22nd, 2005 01:10 am (UTC)
Well, yes and no. Off the top of my head, I can think of three examples of cases like you describe in which I would make three different answers to that question.

The most obvious case, and the one in which I'd fully agree with you, is the Frenditto drama. Like any other case when private material is made public without permission, the correct action is clearly to take the material down. The material was not supposed to be published, so it is not supposed to be published.

The second case lies in a much greyer area, and that is the Laura K. Krishna saga (http://www.aweekofkindness.com/blog/archives/articles/the_laura_k_krishna_saga/). This was one which spawned a great deal of controversy – beside various judgments of the morality of the actions described, many people said that the article should not have been published at all. I think that the writers acted correctly when they changed the names on the page but left the story up, but even that was controversial – in both directions.

The final case, in which I would have been least likely to approve of deleting the essay, was that of Eric Burns's rant about censorship of a newsbox (http://www.websnark.com/archives/2005/03/acknowledgement_1.html) from awhile back. This was, in fact, the essay to which I was alluding when I said I admired Burns's stance on retracting essays. That rant was solid, and despite being wrong on the facts, there's material there, points made there, that deserves fair consideration.

So, yes and no. In those cases, the abject apology is definitely warranted. But deletion? Not always.
(Anonymous)
Sunday, October 23rd, 2005 11:38 pm (UTC)
Byron Calame in his web journal (http://forums.nytimes.com/top/opinion/readersopinions/forums/thepubliceditor/publiceditorswebjournal/index.html) and in his columns (Sunday New York Times op-ed pages) sometimes writes about how to get factual corrections into (or at least appended to online versions of) the newspaper ... e.g.:
Ms. Collins’ existing written policy calls for uniformly publishing corrections at the bottom of opinion columns, which leads to their being appended to the original article in nytimes.com and various electronic databases. The approach taken by Mr. Rich means that users of nytimes.com who find themselves reading the Sept. 18 column—something they now must pay to do—get no warning that it contains any error at all. As I’ve said before, I think a crucial function of a correction these days is to get the right information appended to the increasingly referenced digital versions of articles as soon as possible.

If things are out-and-out wrong (e.g., a three-order-of-magnitude error such as the one Calame mentions occurred in the 9 Sep NYT, where somebody inadvertently wrote megabyte instead of gigabyte!) then it seems legitimate to me to "edit history" and put the right words in place --- esp. since sometimes folks (or automated data-harvesters?) won't read down to the correction.

But if something is said inadroitly and the author wants to fix it, I dunno ... it depends perhaps on the importance of the changes, and who "owns" the original ... I am inclined to improve my ^zhurnal (http://zhurnaly.com) when I see something that can be significantly enhanced, and certainly to fix typos and factual errors and inadvertent insults or invasions of privacy ... and people in the Wiki world have wrestled with this sort of thing for quite a while ...

BTW, from the C-SPAN Congressional Glossary (http://www.c-span.org/guide/congress/glossary/revise.htm)

Asking to Revise and Extend allows a member to add to or edit his/her floor remarks in the Congressional Record.

Making changes to the words actually spoken on the floor requires the consent of the entire House.

Revisions are limited to those that make technical or grammatical corrections.

Extensions are usually the text of articles, letters, or reports to accompany the floor statement.


- ^z -
Monday, October 24th, 2005 03:02 am (UTC)
Well, Wikipedia is a special case, and perhaps newspapers are as well. I would be inclined to mark errors, perhaps with links to footnote corrections, rather than to inline edit. I naturally would make an exception for (most) mere typos.

If something is said clumsily and the author wants to fix it ... that's a tricky one. My feeling is that the old version should be at least archived in the case of editing. Old essays are, in addition to being essays, records of how one used to write. Such records are valuable, and likely should be preserved.

(P.S. Blink tag? Evil! ;)
(Anonymous)
Monday, October 24th, 2005 09:59 am (UTC)
I used the <blink> tag to see whether it was within your bounds of good taste (or at least non-egregiously-bad taste) ... since it seems to me that the "owner" of a space has more right to edit/control what appears (and disappears!) there than do mere visitors or passers-by ...

So if somebody posts naughty words, or off-topic material, or slander, or libel, or illegally-acquired trade secrets, etc., well, I would be inclined to delete (or at least replace the vowels with asterisks) if it's in my domain --- a question of civilized behaviour in a space which I have some responsibility for.

And if you want to insist on proper non-deprecated HTML and thus remove the ugly blinkiness from the first paragraph of this post, that's fine with me! (^_^) -
Monday, October 24th, 2005 11:36 am (UTC)
Lots of things are deprecated. <u> is deprecated. <blink> is just evil. ;)

As for what is permissible – yes, the domain owner (or, in my case, tenant) should have most of the control. However, besides the deletion of trade secrets and other weren't-the-poster's secrets, I'd let most stuff pass, just with comment. This is partially because LJ doesn't allow comment editing.

(So, would you mind not using those <blink> tags? They're annoying, but not enough to justify deleting!)