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Sunday, June 29th, 2008 09:03 am
Eliezer Yudkowsky of "Overcoming Bias" asks: what would you do if you learned that there was no morally right or morally wrong.

I think he hits it on the head when he asks:
Would you stay in bed because there was no reason to get up? What about when you finally got hungry and stumbled into the kitchen - what would you do after you were done eating?

That would be Stage One of the disorder - walking in a daze. (Probably modified because I live at home, but I could pass it off as depression to my family.)

Presumably, though, I would eventually get stir-crazy and get out of this house. I would stand by a busy street and think about playing in traffic, but the horror of making people suffer through having hit someone, the horror of having to pick up another broken body off the street, would discourage me.

I'd turn and run down the street. I'd stumble to a walk a couple hundred meters away. I'd turn and jump a fence into someone's back yard, and begin a trespassing spree, cutting through backyards and crossing streets on a random vector. I'd go trying to do some nutso stunt like wall-jumping, and then try to refuse medical assistance when I cracked my fool head open, and then admit to having health insurance once I'd been forced into the ambulance. I'd ask to have no-one told I'm in the hospital, but they'd probably be told anyway. I'd try to escape out the window. I'd try to talk passing interns into unstrapping me from the hospital bed. I'd think about making a suicide attempt, and realize that I'm attempting memetic quarantine - attempting to make it a secret that nothing matters. I'd try to justify it to myself, and probably succeed via the same revulsion that kept me from throwing myself under buses.

I'd switch to the second alternative - attempting to convince people I was sane. I would fail miserably, of course. In the meantime, though, I'd take up projects, like the IF writing I'm not doing right now, or maybe trolling on philosophical/religious forums. And I don't see where it'd go after that.




Of course, in reality, the odds that something like that would happen are remote. If morality were as easily crushed as that, it wouldn't still be here.
Sunday, June 29th, 2008 06:09 pm (UTC)
Dayum. That's a blunt philo question with no warm-up. I need to get some examples in my head to warm it up.

I'd reword the question as "If there are no punishments and no rewards, why play the game?"

I think I'll go for a walk and think about this.

We'd revert to our animal natures. Perhaps an appropriate metaphor would be the zoo has suddenly lost all it's employees and the doors to the cages are unlocked. Would the animals wander out and cause chaos, or remain placidly in their cages until they got hungry and wandered out.

Animal nature accepts power as it's only coinage. It doesn't care about good or evil, it cares about survival, often at the expense of others.
Sunday, June 29th, 2008 06:21 pm (UTC)
Thought it was interesting! Glad to give some thought-fodder.
Sunday, June 29th, 2008 06:24 pm (UTC)
I'd like to post it to ask_me_anything. Would you mind if I said I took it from your journal (and the link) and mentioned you by name?
Sunday, June 29th, 2008 06:46 pm (UTC)
You can mention me if you like, but the hypothetical's Yudkowsky's. It's a free Web, though - post it wherever you want. ;)

(If the responses in his post are any indication, though, you'll get about sixty percent nihilists saying, "Oh, I already believe there's no right or wrong!")