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Tuesday, October 2nd, 2007 07:51 pm
I recall reading some time ago a story about a writer talking to a group of people at a party - naturally, the subject of 'getting around to writing' came up. How do you do it?, they asked. And the writer had no answer, for writing was simply what they did, something as automatic as breathing.1

I mention this, because I don't feel that way about what I'm doing.

Engineering is good. Objectively, I mean - supports the social organism, at least if someone can make a buck thereby. (Although ASME, for example, still has the idealistic code of ethics from the years when such things were valued by the leading lights of the profession.3) Also as a career, since if you're any good someone can make a buck thereby. And I'm ... not actively bad, and certainly a good applied mathematician and a passable technical writer. Possibly even capable of thinking fast on my feet when talking to possible sources of money. But I'm not crazy about the work.

But what are you supposed to do, if you're a grad student already? Go to your advisor and say, "Sorry about the research projects, but I want to do comp. sci. now, seeya"? I think I find mathematics cool, but will it be cool if that's all I'm doing, eight hours a day? And if I can't say "yes, I'm sure", then isn't it a bad idea to drop out? If I can't say "no", isn't it a bad idea not to try it?

...I ought to get some sleep.4 Thanks for listening, anyway.


1 I've probably read that story a dozen times, now that I think of it. I guess a lot of writers are ... well, writers, in this sense.2

2 Yes, there are confirmed exceptions. Connie Willis, for example.

3 Approximately 1900-1930, I'd say - I read about it in a book, but it was a while ago.

4 Another bad sign - the engineers I've heard are complaining about four hours a night, and I'm whinging about only getting seven?
Wednesday, October 3rd, 2007 06:49 am (UTC)
You don't have to mix your passion with your profession.
Friday, October 5th, 2007 11:51 pm (UTC)
True.
Wednesday, October 3rd, 2007 07:43 am (UTC)
What is it about the work that makes you drag your feet? Perhaps there's still wiggle room - for example, if it's just the idea of seeking out grants the rest of your life, maybe you could shift over toward a tenure track.

I think the big cutoff point is whether this is work you could conceivably see yourself doing for the rest of your life. If the answer to that is yes, then figure out what you can do to make certain your life doesn't get sucked into the job, and figure out some outside interests that will help you feel fulfilled (as Rob suggests).

If the answer to that is no, then -- grad student or no -- find a way to change tracks ASAP. It's either going to be moderately painful now or really painful later.
Saturday, October 6th, 2007 12:10 am (UTC)
...maybe it's open-endedness? It might be my nervousness about imperfection, it might be that I'm just not very self-motivated right now, but I don't really know what I'm supposed to be doing, or how long it should take. I might work better if I had a clearer idea of the whole project.

Hmm. Maybe I've picked the wrong advisor, not the wrong major.
(Anonymous)
Wednesday, October 3rd, 2007 09:02 pm (UTC)
What were your plans for after grad school? Out in the "real world" most employers don't care what you studied anyway. And if you choose not to complete grad school in your current field, you could always get a job and go back (often paid for by the employer) in whatever field you really want to study.

IMO there's too much weight put on "what is your degree in" for many students. Granted, some folks are in degrees like molecular biology where the only field-related jobs you can get require the degree in the field. But engineers - systems-oriented engineers especially - can get all kinds of different jobs in all kinds of different disciplines, and then study in the engineering masters' program they're really interested in.

Maybe you just need to take a semester off. I did during my undergrad. Technically it was for sinus surgery, but it also gave me a great opportunity to clear my head, and I ended up adjusting my major when I got back.
Saturday, October 6th, 2007 12:16 am (UTC)
I admit, I'd be far less nervous if I had any idea what to do after school. The thing with the semester off, though, was that I had a scholarship which might have gotten threatened had I tried it.

I'm actually something of a mathematics- or physics-engineer more than a systems-engineer, but that's a good point. I should definitely consider non-"engineering" jobs, for example.
Thursday, October 4th, 2007 03:23 am (UTC)
Mbleh...I've felt similarly for some time about my own physics research. There's a reason I haven't mentioned it lately in my LiveJournal...I haven't made much progress with it. And that's mostly because I'm pretty much totally burned out on it. Really, the only reason I'm still (nominally) continuing with it is that, well, after having gone through all the exams and classwork and finished everything but the dissertation, it seems it would be a waste to drop out now. That's not to say I haven't been tempted, and I certainly don't have any interest in making physics into my primary career.

None of this probably helps you much, I realize. Just...I guess wanted to say I've been there (and really, still am).
Saturday, October 6th, 2007 12:22 am (UTC)
I know what you mean. There's another factor too, at least for me - it's my job, I'm being paid to work on it. I gotta do it.

(Geez, "adviser" is the standard spelling? It just looks wrong.)